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Living Pain Free with Denis Thompson

George Grombacher June 23, 2022

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Living Pain Free with Denis Thompson

LifeBlood: We talked about how to live pain free, why healthcare doesn’t work, how to focus on the reasons for pain instead of the location of pain, and how to get started, with Denis Thompson, Physiologist and inventor of NeuroTherapy.  

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Episode Transcript

george grombacher 0:00
Come on people this is George G and the time is right on today’s guest, Dr. Paul Dennis Thompson. Dennis, are you ready to do this?

Unknown Speaker 0:19
Definitely ready to yard.

george grombacher 0:21
I love it. Let’s Let’s go. Dennis is an exercise physiologist. He’s helped more than 500,000 patients over his 25 year career including NFL stars, Julio Jones, Jay Cutler. He’s worked with NHL, NBA, PGA Tour athletes, as well as Olympians. He has a patented therapy called neuro therapy which treats why you have the symptoms, not where you have the symptoms, that is excited to have you on tell us a little bit about your personal life story about your work and why you do what you do.

Unknown Speaker 0:50
Well, I do what I do, because over the last 25 years, I’ve been trying to find a way to radically speed up the recovery of injury and surgery, prevent the majority of joint replacement surgeries. And to do that you, you end up being a pioneer with a whole lot of arrows in your back because you’re fighting the normal way of doing things. Based on that we pioneered tele rehabilitation about 20 years ago, before telemedicine was even a word, we would send somebody a $20,000 piece of medical equipment, we spent an hour of our time at no cost to them, we treat them to prove that we can help them. So if they were told they needed surgery, 80 90% of them ended up not needing surgery, they were told they had to live in pain. 80 90% of the people ended up not having to take drugs for pain. So that was our delivery mechanism. We’ve expanded we you know we treat people all over the world. And the idea behind it is to get the education out that what you think you have you don’t. So if you have pain in your back, every medical professional on earth is going to treat your back. Unfortunately, the back is where the problem ended, not at all where it’s coming from. So when you look at it as a paradigm shift, and I go into or with some of the leading orthopedic surgeons in the world, some of the leading neurologists in the world, every one of them at the end of the surgical intervention says you’re shining a light on a subject that absolutely none of us know anything about. Now, that in itself, coming from a leading orthopedic surgeon or neurologist is frightening to say the least. So I gathered a group of doctors together just to kind of pick their brain a little bit. And they’re all trained the same way. Every single one are trained exactly the same way doesn’t make any difference what part of the world are in are trained the same way. So when I’m explained to a patient, I explain to the patient that I want you to think of yourself as a computer.

Unknown Speaker 3:24
And every computer has hardware and software every doctor in the entire world is trained to work on your hardware.

Unknown Speaker 3:33
Unfortunately, most of your problems are software. So when you put it into that perspective and and demonstrate to him it makes a lot of sense to an average patient. So if any of the listeners out there have pain been told they need surgery been told they need joint replacement surgery. Trust me there’s better than a 70 to 90% chance you don’t. The idea of living with pain, taking drugs for the rest of your life. That’s insanity at its highest level. Because all you’re doing with a medication, if you’re not treating anything, you’re basically mitigating the feeling of the problem. Making the problem feel better, but doing nothing for the problem. That’s what happened.

george grombacher 4:33
So in terms of hardware versus software, the hardware is my skeletal system and the software is is my tissue.

Unknown Speaker 4:40
Yeah, no, no, no, no software is your nervous system. Okay. Everything is controlled by your nervous system. Everything and if you well, you as an example your looks like you’re pretty fit. So you’ve you’ve trained your body, your entire life. If you’ve never trained what controls your body, that’s the nervous system. So you have a physical ability, and a neurological potential you’ve never even seen before. So when I’m working with a professional athlete, we gain a lot of notoriety by getting people back faster after an injury in professional athletics. So if you have an injury that normally takes a year with us, it’s going to take 10 weeks. So there’s a significant change in that number, obviously, to see it, is to believe it. I can talk about it until I’m blue in the face. It’s not going to register, because it sounds too good to be true. Unfortunately, it is.

george grombacher 6:00
And so the arrows in your back and I imagine you’ve taken a lot to the front as well. It’s just because you’re you’re up against this trillion dollar apparatus. And if you’re coming up with a way that’s going to avoid surgery and medication, well, then, you know, that’s that’s going to put a lot of people out of business. So that certainly does make sense. do regular people will just keep using me as an example. Do I have access to what what you’re describing?

Unknown Speaker 6:36
Absolutely everybody does. It used to be? You know, people say, Well, why haven’t I heard of you? Let’s go something you couldn’t afford it. It used to be very, very expensive. I’ve been doing this for 25 years. When I started, every medical professional, every scientist believed that the brain was hardwired. If you had anything going on with your brain, you had a TBI, little brain injury, you had a concussion you had any of those things. You’re stuck with it for life? Well, as I started treating patients, that became very, very clear that that was not the case. So right now we have ways of proving every single one of your listeners with absolutely no risk on them at all. We can help them or we can help them. If we can help them, we’re going to eliminate the need for their deductible. The average deductible right now when I started out, the average deductible was $350. Today, the average deductible is $9,000. Every year you’re gonna pay $9,000. Where do you use this or not? It’s it’s a $9,000 debt that you have every single year, your insurance pays less, pays for less services, and charges you more it’s kind of a anomaly. So we offer every one of your listeners a risk free trial, we’ll send them a $20,000 piece of medical equipment, we’ll spend an hour of our time with them. If we can’t help them, they all have to do is send the equipment back. And we give them their security deposit or $200 back if we can help them and they can go into one of our programs, which are a fraction of the cost what they used to be. And more importantly, a fraction of the cost of the medical community is called health care. Health care is a business has nothing to do with health. It is a business.

george grombacher 8:58
What is the machine do?

Unknown Speaker 9:01
Well the machine does is a tool. It’s a tool that allows me to

Unknown Speaker 9:08
ever had an MRI. I don’t think so. But I’m aware of it. You’ve had

Unknown Speaker 9:12
clients that have had MRIs or friends that had MRIs. Okay, so MRI, X ray, ultrasound, CAT scan any type of imaging. It tells the doctor exactly the same thing. Where’s the problem and the severity of the problem and tell you why the problems there. So the first thing that we do is in their risk free trial. We’ll check their nervous system to see if their brain is sending a fast enough signal to their muscles to allow them to absorb the load. Rather than half the load go to tendons, ligaments, bones and joints. Once we’ve got that done, which is probably about 12 minute event, they’re going to be utterly astonished because they’ve just seen why they have a problem. So if you have back problem, your legs aren’t working. That’s something. So if you think of yourself as a house built on stilts, I got the Stokes off from underneath your house, what happened to the house? fell down? Yeah. So why in the world would I want to work on it upper side of the house, find out what kind of foundation to hold it up. Yet, nobody does it except us. So in their first session, we would identify up there in neurological balance, which I can tell you 99% of them are not going to be, we’re then going to reset them. I patented a way of basically creating a communication from the body to the brain from the brain to the body at roughly 500 times faster, and you can do on your own. So your brain is telling your muscles at two times a second, that they’re not working correctly. My external brain better known as my device, override your brain and is sending it out 498 times faster telling your body that it is working. After three minutes of that type of repetition, your body goes oh, that’s how it’s supposed to work. So then once we get you switch turned on. And I think this is a huge piece because and I tell doctors this all the time, every single patient, you guys see or gal see has physical need to see that wouldn’t be here. If they didn’t, they have physical symptoms. I also submit to you, they’re not ready to see you neurologically. So if I turn the main power and the listeners house off, lights aren’t coming on. You can go through therapy. And that’s why therapy takes so long, because you’re fighting a power outage, what I do is turn that power back on with this device. So once I got the power turned on, then I have to find out, okay? Where is the signal coming from that’s causing the problem in the back or wherever it is. So we put an electrode on the spot where the client patient says they have pain. And we turn up the power to a designated level. Once we get to that designated level, we asked him subjectively, okay, what’s that feel like on a scale of one to 10 never going to be pain? One is a very little bit of a feeling and 10 is a lot of a feeling. What’s that feel like? Now usually say, four or five. Okay, and then my therapist or I will say that is where you have the pain? Is that right? Yes. Not at all where it’s coming from. So we start dragging that electrode, think of us as an electrician now, what are we looking for? electrical short. So if you have an electrical short in an electrical appliance, does the electrical appliance work?

george grombacher 13:28
Not as well as maybe it ought to? or not at all?

Unknown Speaker 13:31
Exactly. Does it make any difference where the short set? I don’t think so. You’re 100% Correct, your body’s the same way. I’ve treated shoulders in the ankle, and ankles in their scope. So it’s where that signal is broken down. And I have to connect those two signals. There’s a thing called the Alpha Gamma loop, which signal comes in to the muscle that runs up to the brain and a brain sends it back down to the muscle. And then once that loop is completed, now you can heal before that forget it never going to happen.

george grombacher 14:13
So 99% of us or 99% of people that are experiencing some kind of pain, it’s because they’re the signals are not going as they’re they’re they’re not going as optimally as as they’re supposed to.

Unknown Speaker 14:31
Yeah, if you have tendon, ligament bone or joint problems, which is MSK muscle skeletal issues. You got a neurological breakdown. And until you look at it as a neurological breakdown. You know, if you bring a computer in the Best Buy and it’s got a software problem and they give it to a hardware guy. I guarantee your computer not gonna get fixed.

george grombacher 14:56
They’ll probably tear it apart and not be able to identify the problem. Many way. Absolutely.

Unknown Speaker 15:01
And that’s really what health care does.

george grombacher 15:07
So when you do identify, Okay, George just needs to get his system reset, so that he’s firing brain to Yep, brain to body body to brain, so it’s linked up correctly, then you’re able to sort of retrace the steps or be able to do a better job investigating the actual cause of the pain, when then sometimes the pain go away is is it sometimes just just a software thing,

Unknown Speaker 15:36
it’s always a software thing, but you’re stuck in a pattern. So pain is a think of pain is a neurological pattern. You’re stuck in it. It’s like a song stuck in your head, you can’t get it out of your head. Okay, I break that pattern. I give your brain something else to think about. Once your brain focuses on something other than pain, you don’t have pain anymore. In the first session that I’m offering to everybody listening, risk free trial. I don’t care what level of pain they’re in, when they’re done, they’re not gonna have any pain. That’s a bold statement. But all I did was disrupt that pattern. And I disrupt it. And there’s this kind of misguided impression that Oh, my God, I’m saved, I’m cured. No, no, no, no, no, I just broke the pattern. I don’t know how long I’m going to break the pattern for. So it’s critically important for the patient to understand that. Let’s say that effect of no pain is gonna last 45 minutes to an hour. The reason they have to go through 20 sessions is every single day, that period of time without pain elongates. So day one is an hour, day two is a two hour day three to three hours, when they get to 20 days, I’ll never know they have the problem, because they haven’t now a new Patreon. That’s called neural plasticity.

george grombacher 17:19
And in that example, after 20 days, just just it’s arbitrary. After an extended number of treatments, we’ve broken the old pattern and created a new pathway in our brain through neuroplasticity. Are we still needing to go and investigate a problem in our hardware? Or are you saying that the pain is just there? Because it’s not connecting correctly?

Unknown Speaker 17:43
Is there because it’s not connected correctly? We connected the hardware so amazing. So as an example, you follow football? Yes, sir. Okay. So you know, when a football player has an ACL injury, they usually tell you there’s going to be you know, if you’re talking about high school kid, you’re talking about college kid, you’re talking about a surgeon that is really conservative, it’s about a year, you’re talking about an NFL guy, you’re talking about maybe six to nine months, but mostly in that nine month range, okay? Are a ACLs over the last 17 years, average 10 weeks, weeks. Now, everybody who goes through surgery right now, two things that inevitably are going to happen. They’re going to lose strength. It’s called atrophy, you’re not going to get it back. There’s atrophy all over the world. Today. Even though I’ve done a double blind study showing, we eliminate atrophy that created such a stir in the orthopedic community that kind of quashed it. It’s a peer reviewed study. We have a 307% increase in muscle girth after 16 weeks of physical therapy. So we got certified study that we can eliminate atrophy. If you have surgery, today, you go into surgery going to the recovery room, two things are going to happen. Number one, the nerve block is going to wear off and you’re gonna be an ungodly amount of pain. In number two, you’re setting the stage for atrophy. If we have our device on you in the recovery room, you have no pain. None zero zip. And you totally eliminate atrophy. Now why wouldn’t you do that? Real simple. insurance doesn’t pay for it. Just that simple. Help Care is business.

george grombacher 20:05
So, in the example was say that I’m an athlete, I blow up my ACL in a football game. So clearly, there’s a need for surgery on the hardware. And if I go through the exercise of, of resetting my, my messages, my brain to body messages, that’s going to eliminate the atrophy or dramatically reduce it, that’s going to dramatically increase my recovery time.

Unknown Speaker 20:37
100% Because the nervous system controls your blood circulation and nervous, consistent controls the muscles, muscles are the outward expression of the nervous system. So just think of it this way. Ask yourself why you have an ACL? Why do we have so many ACL? Well, simple answer. You ever see a two year old with an ACL? Now? You ever see a two year old fall down the stairs scare the heck out of mom and dad. They get to the bottom and they’re screaming bloody murder. There’s no problem. No pain, no nothing.

Unknown Speaker 21:16
Little kids bounce pretty well.

Unknown Speaker 21:18
Here’s why. If I hit your leg right now, on the inside, outside or the front of the knee, all of your muscles simultaneously your quad, hamstring, glute Sartorius, or Seles all of your stabilizers are going to clench down into a concentric contraction, no place for force to go. It’s gonna go to tendons, ligaments, bones and joints where it’s never supposed to go. So you’ve heard people bone on bone, right? Okay, and go to a doctor. And during a lot of pain, they have restricted range of motion. Doc says your bone on bone. Here’s the X ray irrefutable evidence. No question their bone on bone? Question. The bigger question is why are they bone on bone? Well, their shock absorbers better known as their legs didn’t work. So all the shock that should have gone into the Clyde went into the knee joint. So I asked everybody who’s ever been told that they’re bone on bone and have paid this? Let me ask you a question. If you had no pain 100% range of motion. But you’re still bone on bone? Would you ever have surgery? What do you think the answer to that question is? No, no, absolutely not. I’m not going to get rid of the bone on bone. What I’m going to get rid of is the force going to the bone on bone and getting a blood supply into that area and getting the quad muscles to do what they’re supposed to do. So I tell everybody, look your car without shock absorbers. You got two choices throw away the car put new shocks on. My guess is the best bet is just put new shocks on?

george grombacher 23:17
Probably more prudent.

Unknown Speaker 23:19
Yeah. And that’s really what we do. But it’s hard to wrap your head around that concept. Because a none of the medical professionals are trained in force absorption. They’re trained in strength. So they’re trained on the physiological side, not the neurological side. They’re extremely skilled at what they do. Don’t get me wrong. Sure. But you only know what you know. And you only know what you’ve been taught. And if you’re not taught the neurology of what you do, you don’t know the thing about the neurology of what you do. That’s where we’re at right now.

george grombacher 23:58
So I’ve got a five year old and a two year old, safe to say that that they’re, they’re neurologically balanced. And if your five year old is not okay, so it’s just a it’s just over time, we, as human beings become unbalanced.

Unknown Speaker 24:16
I think we lose the ability to be in a neuro efficiency state by the age of three years old. Wow. Now, to prove that to yourself. Ask your two year old to squat down and pick up something and ask your five year old to squat down and pick up something. You’re gonna see a radical difference in the way they move. That’s true. Three year olds knees are going to be behind his ankles. His hamstrings are going to be pulling him down. His glutes are going to be firing. The five year old his knees are going to be just like Dad, mom. Knees are going to be above the ankles. They’re going to squat into it all the force is going to be direct. plugged into the kneecap just a matter of time before a great subproblem

george grombacher 25:07
about the fascinating stuff, sir. I appreciate you coming on greatly and fascinating enjoyed it fascinating to learn more. Where can people learn more about you? How can they take advantage of this trial?

Unknown Speaker 25:23
Just have them go to A R, P wave wa backslash R. F T which stands for risk free trial. No matter where they’re at in the United States, no matter where they’re at in the world for that matter. We’ll send them out a unit. We’ll treat them we help them didn’t cost them a dime. Love it?

george grombacher 25:57
Well, if you enjoyed as much as I did show, Dennis your appreciation and share today’s show with a friend who also appreciates good ideas go to ARP That’s ARP and take advantage of this wonderful opportunity to stop living with pain. Thanks good, Dennis.

Unknown Speaker 26:19
Absolutely. Thank you.

george grombacher 26:21
And until next time, keep fighting the good fight. We’re all in this together.

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