Disaster Readiness with Patrick Hardy

george grombacher 0:01
Music. Patrick Hardy is the planet’s go to disaster expert for for global governments, for businesses, for nonprofit organizations and for families and individuals. Welcome to the show, Patrick, thanks for having me. George.

Patrick Hardy 0:15
I look forward to our conversation today.

george grombacher 0:17
Yeah, I’m excited to have you on tell us a little about your personal lives, more about your work and why you do what you do.

Patrick Hardy 0:25
I believe that no one should ever have to experience a disaster in their entire life, and they don’t need to ever experience one in their life. My main advocacy and what I focus on in my work, is how to eliminate disasters out of your life entirely. That when things happen to you, whether it’s a hurricane, whether it’s an earthquake, whether it’s a tornado, all those are are disruptions to your life. That’s it. But not only can we eliminate that as a negative disruption, we can actually turn it into something incredibly useful to you, that it can strengthen you and make you better for next time. So that’s really what my advocacy is about, and that’s really what I do with my clients every single day, whether small businesses, big companies or families and nonprofits. So one of the things that I have done throughout my career is I’ve, you know, tried to phase in and see, you know, what? What different element of disaster response am I going to be focusing on? So I worked, I volunteered with the Red Cross. I was a consultant to the government for a long time, and I’ve worked with small businesses of all types. Worked with restaurants and bars and nursing homes. I’ve consulted with fortu, 500 companies, and I’ve just discovered there are a series of secrets that if people implemented in a systematic manner, in fact, I sort of developed a model for that, then they can actually eliminate disasters and transform them into strengthening opportunities. Because, in the end, all hurricane really is, is a lot of rain and a lot of wind. And if we can turn ourselves and prepare ourselves in such a way that we can eliminate the disaster, then we’ll never have to experience it, and it simply becomes a disruption, becomes a part of our life, no more than having to deal with the other annoyances and things that we deal with on a routine basis. Is

george grombacher 2:15
this what you want to do when you’re a little boy? No,

Patrick Hardy 2:20
no, I wanted to become a professor, actually, when I was in college, actually was an EMS professional. That’s how I started. I was a first responder, and then I went to college. I was a national champion, speaker and debater, and then I graduated college, and you know, when you study political science, that was one of my majors. When you study that, you think, you know, everybody sort of has a cause, something that’s important to them. Either they want to eliminate nuclear weapons, or they want to, you know, you know, prevent homelessness, or they want to focus on, you know, some civil rights issue or immigration. And I didn’t have any of that. I didn’t have any idea what to do. So I graduated college, and I was thinking about whether I was going to go to graduate school or not. And then in August of 2005 The answer came to me, we have we had Hurricane Katrina. Her Katrina made landfall in South Louisiana, and I immediately wrote a letter to the governor of Louisiana saying, Listen, you know, I graduate top of my class. I’m a smart guy, but I’m not politically connected. I have no other way of knowing you, but I would like to come work for you. And so I ended up being a contractor for the government for a long time. So, you know, advising and doing a lot of interesting things. I started as kind of an intern, and I kind of moved my way up, so it was really excited. Then I went to Europe. I studied emergency management in Europe after a few years, and then I came back and I opened a business.

george grombacher 3:45
Nice, okay, so won’t the government take care of us? Why do you have a job?

Patrick Hardy 3:55
You know, the major assumption that people make all the time in disasters is, if I do nothing, someone will take care of it for me, whether that’s the fire department, whether that’s the police department, whether that’s FEMA, whether that’s some sort of Emergency Management Agency, someone normally in the uniform, in a badge, will come and take care of me. And what I tell clients, and I tell this to people all the time, is I say disaster after disaster after disaster after disaster has borne this out. Really, you’re on your own. You’re really on your own. So what I say to people to turn that constructively is I say the assumption I want you to make whenever you go into an incident, whenever you go into a disruption, like a hurricane or you’re dealing with an earthquake, I want you to change your assumption from if I do nothing, someone else will take care of it. Do if I do nothing, no one else will help me either. And when I tell people that, they think, well, that you that’s that the you know, it’s easier to say but hard to implement in practice, I go, it’s not, it’s not hard at all. You just have to have some initiative. And the initiative. Is, is that you have to decide that you’re going to eliminate the disaster on your own. So what you’re going to do is you’re going to approach it very differently. So the approach I take to disaster management is very proactive versus very reactive. So I tell people, you need to start with evaluating the things that are important to you and your life. So whether that’s, you know, you know, physically, I mean, there’s certain things we have to have. We have to food and water and clean air and all that. And then, you know, psychologically, you know, do we have to have access to a therapist, or do we have to have some kind of medication, whatever, and then socially, connections to our friends and families, and then financially, and then also professionally, or if you’re still in school, educationally, right? So having access to these things, and I tell them, if we assert that, if we don’t do anything to prepare those things for a disruption like a category five hurricane, which is about to strike Western Florida as you and I speak right now, then you’re going to experience a disaster every day. Yeah. Disaster every day. If you don’t ever have that ready, ready to go, then basically you’re always going to be weaker. Because when we think about, gee, I got struck with a disaster, it’s I become weaker when I go to my clients, and I work with my clients, I turn them and I say, I’m going to make you stronger after the disaster, not weaker. I’m going to make you stronger physically. I’m going to make you stronger psychologically and so on and so on. And there’s like, a series of things you can do by creating, by really analyzing and saying, what are the critical things I have to have, I have to have when there is a disruption to my normal daily routines, by examining that and by utilizing the assumption that those things I need will not be provided by anyone else other than me, then that changes your attitude towards how you prepare for these kinds of things and how you overcome them.

george grombacher 6:57
That makes a ton of sense, and it’s so simple, but it’s not easy to make that mental shift between, I’m, you know, somebody’s going to take care of it for me to I am 100% responsible for it, and I’m going to be

Patrick Hardy 7:09
ready. Yeah, it is. And, you know, like I gave you people this great example, I always talk about the backpack, so because it’s so ubiquitous, meaning, you see it all over the place in disasters, right? So people will say, Well, you know, you’ll go and on. All of us, those of you who are hearing this, I’m sure you’ve gone to one of those big box stores. You go to Home Depot, Walmart, you know, fill in the blank, and you go there. And inevitably, there are some place in the store where they have the red backpack. And so a lot of times, people will buy the backpack at some point, they’ll think it’s the beginning of hurricane season or it’s beginning of wildfire season. I should buy this thing, and they take it and they stick it in a corner, and then we forget all about it, like it’s that Black Sheep uncle that we never, ever, ever want to discuss. And I tell people, I say, how do you know what’s in it? How do you know? Can you actually eat that stuff? How do you know? You know? Because there’s always, like food pellets in there. Have you ever tried that stuff before? Because, you know, if all other food sources are cut off, that’s what you’re gonna have for lunch and den dinner every day for the next, you know, 345, days, whatever. And the water too. I tell folks, you know, you need to taste the water make sure that that’s what you want. For people who say, Well, I have water purification tablets, I go, Great. Have you ever tried it before? No. And actually, as a matter of fact, I was lunch with a couple clients. We’re actually at a restaurant, and they said, you know, we never used, you know, water purification pills. I literally took the water purification pills. I emptied out the ice out of their water glass, I threw the purification tablets in there, and I poured the water back in. And they said, Why are we gonna have it right now? Go, well, the water’s perfectly clean. I said, No. Some of these tablets, there is a taste to them, so you need to try them. So that’s why I’m saying, don’t let you know, Walmart do things for you. Don’t let you know Home Depot do things for you. Whoever designed the backpack, whatever the company name is Red Cross, whatever you know otherwise, what you’re doing is, in essence, you’re saying, if I do nothing, that’s okay, because ever that, because that backpack is perfectly packed. And what I do, and I actually did this on TV recently, I tell people, if you’re going to buy the red backpack, fine, I don’t like it, but if you’re going to do it, fine. But what I want you to do is, want you to take the backpack. I want you to clip off the little zip tie they always have. They always have that on there. It’s an anti shopping, anti shop lifting. Measure. So cut that off, open it up. And I want you to dump it out on the floor, everything you have, or on a table, whatever. Just dump it out. And we dump it out. And people go, why would you dump it out? It’s all nicely packed. And I say because you need to know what’s in here. You have to know what this backpack can and cannot do. That’s the key to asserting it, to saying this is my responsibility. I’m not going to hand it off to some company to handle my hurricane response. I’m going to be responsible for it, and by analyzing it in advance and then. You look at the backpack by saying, If I don’t do anything, no one’s going to do anything else either. All of a sudden, you look at the backpack very differently, because now you see the backpack as it’s a nice tool, but in the end, I have to verify this thing is going to work. So I do that all the time with clients. We end up everything. We pour it all out. Matter of fact, I to school one time, and I told all the teachers, I said, you know, you have all these red, red backpacks here, and I and I asked all the teachers, I said, you know, how long have you been here? And you know, I got various times, two years, five years, 10 years. And so I took their red backpacks, and I said, I don’t want you to open them. I want you to tell me what’s on them. And nobody knew. I mean, they say the basic things, right? George, everybody says, right, flashlights, you know, maybe a blanket, and maybe has a bit of food in there, maybe a couple water packets. And I said, Who’s the backpack for? And they said, well, it’s for the whole class. I said, Okay, let’s open it up. Then we opened it up, there were, like, three water packets in there. Said, is that? That’s not enough? That’s not enough for a whole class. I mean, if you’re stuck in a classroom because there’s a chemical spill outside, which, by the way, is not an unlikely scenario. In a lot of places, you are now stuck in the classroom. You think three water packets are going to be enough for 30 kids. Do you really think that? So what I tell, tell, tell them is, is I basically say, Look, you know, you need to look at that backpack as if I do nothing. In other words, if I don’t look at that backpack or anything, no one else is going to going else to fill that backpack. I’m going to fill it, and I’m going to fill it with things that are important to me, things that I know are going to be important. And there’s a method in the system that I show people and I walk them through it. Here’s how to look through here’s how the things that are important to you, physically and psychologically and financially, and then we go through those things, and then we fill the backpack after we’ve done that work. I don’t care what disaster you’re facing, so to speak, whether it’s a wildfire or hurricane, I don’t care about all that. What matters to me is what is important to you. If there’s a disruption in your life. I say this, George, all the time to folks, I say, you know, what is the greatest thing that could possibly ever happen to you? Win the lottery. Yeah, winning the lottery. You know, what is the worst possible thing that could possibly happen to you in your entire life? Winning the lottery. It’s the same thing, because there are a number, because what happens is, and I actually work with a lot of high net worth families, I work with high net worth families who actually won the lottery before, and these are people who are not used to working and living as a high net worth family, so they make bad financial decisions, which result in them getting involved in lawsuits, and they get into a situation where people can take advantage of them, right? So when that becomes catastrophic, relationships, family relationships become strained. I mean, you and I probably can think of a number of sports stars who, you know, they go from rags to riches, and then they have family who turn to them and say, I helped you when you were 15 years old. Now I expect you to pay me, or I expect you to invest in my business. And when they say no, because you know for one one reason or another, then all of a sudden, those relationships deteriorate, right? So what I tell people is you need to prepare for anything, and the way to do that is think of the lottery, whether it is whether you think it’s positive or negative, I want you to think of the lottery as a neutral disruption. Just think of it as a disruption to your life when you think about it like that, now you begin to say, How do I prepare myself and ensure that I have what I need to turn this disruption into something positive versus something negative. And that’s really the advocacy that I talk about when I go through through these kinds of things with clients, whether it’s a hurricane or a massive, you know, publicity which has happened before, things like that, whatever it is, I tell them, I’m giving you the tools to make it a success. That

george grombacher 14:01
makes a lot of sense. How long do you coach people to to to prepare for

Patrick Hardy 14:07
I tell them, I want you back to normal. I’m sorry, not back to normal. I want you recovered in two weeks. I want you recovered in two weeks and Georgia. I’m going to draw a distinction here, because lot of times people think disaster recovery means going back to normal. It does not. And I talk about this in my book very extensively, because this happens all the time, disaster recovery, or what we would characterize as disaster recovery, it does not mean you’re going back to normal. What it means is, is that you’re getting yourself into a place where you can continue to operate on a day to day basis. Do you have food? Do you have water? Do you have air? Do you have housing? Do you have clothing? You have all the things you’re going to need on a minimal basis to continue to live. Do you during covid? One of the things I had clients calling me all about all the time was they said, well, we need to. Get back into business as fast as we can. That’s probably going to be a month or two. I go, you guys have employees who can’t go more than two, three weeks without a paycheck. You’ve got to be paying people. And they go, Well, we never really thought of that, because, hey, we’re not in business, so we have no way of paying these people. And I say, well, you’re you are now going to turn those loyal employees. You’ve made the disruption, which is covid, into something negative. In other words, you’ve turned it into a disaster yourselves, versus if you had found a way to turn it around so that employees see that you are supportive of them, and there’s a way to do that, to say, I’m going to turn this around so that you have the financial means to be continuous and recover yourselves. Be going back to normal is very different, and that is going to be dependent on the disruption itself, right? But the recovery, I say two weeks. In two weeks, you’re going to be fully in a place where we can continue to operate, meaning we’re, we’re we’re working, we’re we’re able to get a paycheck. Still, we have the food we need, we have the housing we need. We have the shelter we need, we have the clothing we need. We have, you know, if we we need access to therapists, we have access to those things. If we need a friends, like, for example, I know a lot of people who say, I have friends in a, you know, in this club, or they’re at church, or they’re at some, you know, affiliation, and I say, then we need to restore that connection as fast as possible. That is just as important when there is something as massive as a massive hurricane to get you back, because you need that. That’s part of who you are. And so as a planner, I turn people and I say, let’s make sure we can establish that as fast as we can. In two weeks, I’m not going to allow anyone to be unrecovered after two weeks. So after two weeks, I’m going to put you in a place where you are back to where you need to be.

george grombacher 16:50
That That makes sense. So you’ve done your job. And let’s just use a family as an example. Everybody has done the exercise of figuring out what is most important to them, what they must have with them. And they have their their their backpacks packed up, the siren goes off, they execute their plan. So they’ve come through this disaster, and it’s not been it’s been a disruption, not a disaster. As a family, they’ve proven to themselves that they can, that they can do it, and they can come together and do make difficult decisions, because they’ve already made a lot of them. Is that what success is?

Patrick Hardy 17:33
Yes, it is because you have essentially said, I have reasserted control over the disruption. It is up to me. It is up to me if this is going to be a disaster, or if this is going to be something. I actually call it reversing disaster. I actually say we take that and turn ourselves that we’re stronger as a result. Because what you’ve said is the is, the very baseline is, I say, you know every single person, if they are positioned properly and they’re able to handle it themselves, all of a sudden, you now have reasserted control. The reason why people are so afraid of of hurricanes and earthquakes is because they think they have no control over what happens. And I say in the end, George, an earthquake isn’t a disaster, and I actually do this with audiences all the time. So so what I’ll do is this, I’ll ask everybody. I’ll say, you know, how many of you think that a 1.0 earthquake? So 1.0 on the Richter scale. Okay, so 1.0 How many of you think that’s a disaster? And I won’t get any hands up, and then I’ll say, Okay, imagine we have a a nine on the Richter scale. So, so it’s, it’s a 9.0 earthquake. And how many of you think that that’s really a disaster? And I get every hand up and I say, Well, let me ask you this question, what if that 9.0 earthquake occurs in the middle of nowheresville, Alaska? So, northern Alaska, where nobody lives, we have a 9.0 earthquake in the middle of nowhere. No one felt it. It was, it was registered by the seismometer. So they, in other words, they were actually able to catalog it, but it didn’t affect anybody. And then everyone will say, Oh, that was not a disaster. So I said, Well, okay, so then basically an earthquake that occurs the middle of nowhere. So the earthquake itself does not denote if it’s a disaster. It’s how much it impacts your life and how much it makes you weaker. Because now, if I were to say Los Angeles or San Francisco instead of the Canadian nowhere, all of a sudden it’s like, everybody says, Wow, that’s going to be a catastrophic disaster. And I say it’s not going to be a disaster if people assume that if they do nothing, no one else will either, and they have prepared in advance. They know what they need to have access to. They’ve got to have food, they’ve got to have water, they got to have clothing, they got to have shelter. And they’ve laid out those things in advance, and they’ve sorted that out in advance. That’s why really great disaster planning is so empowering. George, that’s why I tell people this all the time. It doesn’t have to be doom and gloom. It doesn’t have to be blood and guts. If I can turn to you and say, this kind of preparedness actually makes you better afterwards, gives you a chance to strengthen those relationships and strengthen your community. Because now, if you are fully autonomous, fully now, all the government resources that have to be expended, they don’t have to expend as much on you anymore, and they can focus on the people who are most vulnerable in our society, the ones who really don’t have access to these things, either because of socioeconomic status or for some other reason, a medical reason. So what I say is, I’d say to folks is, I say, you know, let’s focus on letting the government to focus take care of them, people who simply can’t take care of themselves, and in the meantime, people we are responsible for, including people who we take care of. So we’re not going to expect a four year old to handle this all on their own. So we as adults, as the parents, say, I’m going to help you. I’m going to help empower you so you have some semblance of control. Because children want that control too. And if we’re caretaking for for an elderly loved one or pets, I say this all the time. I mean, actually, have a cat who I think is the most disaster paired cat imaginable. I mean, she knows when there’s an earthquake about to happen, she knows where to go. She just has it. She just has that knowledge. And as a matter of fact, couple of times when she’s been when she’s like, run around my bedroom, I said, Okay, something clearly is going on. And lo and behold, we were either I didn’t feel the earthquake or we were about to have one. So that’s one of the reasons why I say to folks. I say, you know, you know, if you are pet parents, if you are parents of small children, if you’re taking care of an elderly parent, whatever it is, you have to assert the control for them, because really, they can’t do it. So I want you to make the assumption for them that if I do nothing for this person, this pet, this child, this elderly person, no one else will either. So I’m not expecting the government to drive up in an ambulance, pick them up and take them somewhere. Because you know what? I tell people, this in a massive earthquake, that’s not going to happen, that just isn’t going to happen. So the issue lies is when people say, Don’t worry about it, if things get really bad, someone will come take care of us, that’s when the disaster comes. Because guess what, you’re now weaker. Afterwards, you’re weaker, you weren’t more, you were less prepared. Now you’re now you’re at the mercy of the events, versus being in control of those events. And that’s what I advocate for in all the preparedness activities that I engage in.

george grombacher 22:35
I love it. One last thing, I imagine some people say, Okay, I’m going to throw this in the bag, and this, this, this, and I need to bring this and that, this, this, this, probably not enough space to take everything, right?

Patrick Hardy 22:49
Yeah, so what I say to them is, I say, I do what’s called. I call it the rule of threes. So take three things that you can put in the backpack, three things that are in the backpack, and then three items that give you access to things somewhere else. So for example, let’s say you have a storage unit somewhere. Okay, so, and let’s talk about food. Okay, so let’s say you decide, you know, I have some food I could take with me. So I have some granola bars, great, so we’re gonna put those in there. Okay, that’s one. And then number two, we have the emergency food here, great. So we put a couple of those in there. Fantastic. And then number three, you know, you know, we have some other, you know, immediate like breakfast bar, great. I can put those in there. Now, there’s three other things, but we can’t carry all that stuff in the backpack. That’s impossible. So what I say is, is, I say maybe you have a key to the storage unit in your backpack. Maybe you have some in your trunk, and you have a spare key to your car in the backpack. You know what I mean? So you can access those things. It’s the same with water. I tell people all the time, you can’t carry 50 water bottles in there, but you know what? If you can pre position water bottles in various places. All of a sudden you have some in the backpack and you have some somewhere else. So you will always be able to access those things, water purification tablets. You can keep them, you know, I even have a family where they actually have a camping stove and everything, and that’s what they lay out and say, you know, if we have to, we’re going to go to the storage unit, we’re going to pull out our camping stuff, and we’re going to actually boil going to actually boil water all the power to them. Because I say now you’re not at the mercy of whether or not the government is able to restore the water in one day, two days, three days, four days, you have completely reasserted control of that totally. Now it’s just a matter of this is a disruption? Is it annoying? Yes, absolutely. And if it results in a personal casualty or someone being severely injured, that’s something we need to grieve over. And that’s not something where we say we’re going to be strengthened over. But one of the things we do say is, is, if those kinds of things happen, we’re going to make. Ourselves more self resilient, and say, How can we prevent this? How can we make ourselves and put ourselves in a place where, where we put the memory in a way that’s really positive, versus making us weaker and unable to recover? And that’s really why I tell people I take a holistic approach, because we don’t want to just say, Gee, I’m stronger. Somebody was injured or there was actually a casualty. We want to put ourselves in a position where we actually are finding a way. We’re getting access to therapy, we’re grieving the way we want to, and then afterwards we say in that person’s memory, how can we be better so that next time this never happens again, or the likelihood is less and less, and that is really how we get through even the largest kinds of events. That

george grombacher 25:48
makes so much sense. Well, Patrick, thank you so much for coming on. Where can people learn more about you? How can they engage with you? Thanks

Patrick Hardy 25:56
very much for having me. George, I appreciate I enjoyed the conversation as well. If you want to find me, I am@disasterpatrick.com Again, disasterpatrick.com I actually have a YouTube channel, which is really awesome. We have some amazing videos. I just a couple weeks ago, I broke the Guinness World Record. I did CPR. I did the longest marathon CPR. I ended up doing CPR for 28 straight hours. So I’ve got a lot of really cool events. I’m basically taking on the most difficult disaster challenges in the world. So check I check it out. Actually, the first one we did was we evacuated 230 cats off of a Cat Sanctuary, and we were able to complete that in 90 minutes. So and then I did the CPR one. We’ve got some amazing videos I’m testing out, for example, all the different kinds of disaster food, you know, you know, gluten free ones and vegan ones. So doing a lot of really cool things, because I want to show people that, in fact, you can reassert control. Because, as I always like to say, if you prepare for a disaster, you’ll never experience one. Thanks again for having me, George, I love

george grombacher 26:57
it if you enjoyed as much as I did so, Patrick, your appreciation. Share today’s show with a friend who also appreciates good idea go to disaster. Patrick.com, that’s an awesome website, Patrick. And check out his YouTube channel as well. And I will list all the different places in the notes of the show. Obviously, thanks again, Patrick, thank you, and until next time, remember do your part by doing your best. You.

george grombacher 16:00
So if I want my iPhone, and my Tesla and my Bitcoin to work, we need to get the metal out of the ground.

Pierre Leveille 16:07
Absolutely. Without it, we cannot do it.

george grombacher 16:13
Why? Why is there a Why has production been going down.

Pierre Leveille 16:21
Because the large mines that are producing most of the copper in the world, the grades are going down slowly they’re going there, they’re arriving near the end of life. So and of life of mines in general means less production. And in the past, at least 15 years, the exploration expenditure for copper were pretty low, because the price of copper was low. And when the price is low, companies are tending to not invest more so much in exploration, which is what we see today. It’s it’s, it’s not the way to look at it. Because nobody 15 years ago was able to predict that there would be a so massive shortage, or it’s so massive demand coming. But in the past five years, or let’s say since the since 10 years, we have seen that more and more coming. And then the by the time you react start exploring and there’s more money than then ever that is putting in put it in expression at the moment for copper at least. And what we see is that the it takes time, it could take up to 2025 years between the time you find a deposit that it gets in production. So but but the year the time is counted. So it’s it’s very important to so you will see company reopening old mines, what it will push also, which is not bad, it will force to two, it will force to find a it will force to find ways of recalibrating customer, you know the metals, that will be more and more important.

george grombacher 18:07
So finding, okay, so for lack of a better term recycling metals that are just sitting around somewhere extremely important. Yeah. And then going and going back to historic minds that maybe for lack of technology, or just lack of will or reasons, but maybe now because there’s such a demand, there’s an appetite to go back to those.

Pierre Leveille 18:33
Yes, but there will be a lot of failures into that for many reasons. But the ones that will be in that will resume mining it’s just going to be a short term temporary solution. No it’s it’s not going to be you need to find deposit that will that will operate 50 years you know at least it’s 25 to 50 years at least and an old mind that you do in production in general it’s less than 10 years.

george grombacher 19:03
Got it. Oh there we go. Up here. People are ready for your difference making tip What do you have for them

Pierre Leveille 19:14
You mean an investment or

george grombacher 19:17
whatever you’re into, you’ve got so much life experience with raising a family and doing business all over the world and having your kids go to school in Africa so a tip on copper or whatever you’re into.

Pierre Leveille 19:34
But there’s two things I like to see and I was telling my children many times and I always said you know don’t focus on what will bring you specifically money don’t think of Getting Rich. Think of doing what you what you like, what you feel your your your your your, you know you have been born to do so use your most you skills, do what you like, do what you wet well, and good things will happen to you. And I can see them grow in their life. And I can tell you that this is what happens. And sometimes you have setback like I had recently. But if we do things properly, if we do things that we like, and we liked that project, we were very passionate about that project, not only me, all my team, and if we do things properly, if we do things correctly, good things will happen. And we will probably get the project back had to go forward or we will find another big project that will be the launch of a new era. So that’s my most important tip in life. Do what you like, do it with your best scale and do it well and good things will happen.

george grombacher 20:49
Pierre Leveille 21:03
Thank you. I was happy to be with you to today.

george grombacher 21:06
Damn, tell us the websites and where where people can connect and find you.

Pierre Leveille 21:13
The it’s Deep South resources.com. So pretty simple.

george grombacher 21:18
Perfect. Well, if you enjoyed this as much as I did show up here your appreciation and share today’s show with a friend who also appreciate good ideas, go to deep south resources, calm and learn all about what they’re working on and track their progress.

Pierre Leveille 21:32
Thanks. Thanks, have a nice day.

george grombacher 21:36
And until next time, keep fighting the good fight. We’re all in this together.