It’s Not About You with Matt Dawson

Dawson is a multiple world record holder. He is an extreme adventure athlete, a former investment banker. He is a speaker and author. His newest book is strength and surrender. Welcome to the show, Dawson.

Dawson 0:14
I appreciate you having me on. Man. Thank you very much. Yeah,

george grombacher 0:16
excited to have you on. Tell us a little a little bit about your personal lives, more about your work and why you’re doing what you’re doing.

Dawson 0:23
Yeah, so you know, a couple years ago, in 2018 is a good friend of mine and I started an organization, which is Dawson’s peak foundation. We’re a registered 501, c3, our mission is to inspire the discovery and pursuit of individual purpose, basically to get to get people to understand that we’re all capable of living kind of greater lives with that, again, with that greater sense of purpose, but more importantly, not only for ourselves, but for others, because every single thing that we do impacts everyone else. So with that, we have responsibility to live our lives to the fullest potential and have the biggest positive impact we can possibly have. The way that we work as an organization is that we create large scale, global one off expeditions where we sponsor individual athletes, and where these athletes are pushing the the boundaries of human performance and capability, both mentally and physically. And that way, viewers can can watch the athletes in their pursuits, then draw parallels between themselves our athletes, and to say, hey, if this person is doing X, Y and Z, then maybe I can identify something in my life that I can look to, you know, to to challenge, to, you know, to conquer, to overcome, to address, to whatever things that I’ve been hesitant, you know, to address, you know, in my life. So we’re trying to draw that parallel where the expeditions are really just a Trojan horse for that greater conversation of purpose and performance, and, you know, in commitment and community, and, you know, service to others, you know, that kind of thing. So really it’s just a way to initiate those greater conversations, rather than, you know, than an end in, than an end in and of themselves.

george grombacher 2:01
I think that that’s cool. I feel like that has the ability to maybe humanize it a little bit more, instead of me reading about David Goggins and waking up super early and going for really long runs, when I can actually have more of a relationship with the athlete and just through your foundation, you think that’s probably why you’re doing it

Dawson 2:24
exactly looking and this is not taken away from anything anybody’s done, because they’re just, there’s so many people doing so much cool stuff right now. Just it makes my head spin when I see what everybody’s doing. And I’m very, you know, proud of everybody and excited to see the things that people are doing, you know, pushing these boundaries. But it’s just, if you want to talk about, you know, the mountain was this cold, and it was 40 below, and, uh, you know, couldn’t feel my fingers, or I was throwing up, or I had, you know, like, whatever it’s, look once you’ve been doing this stuff long enough, everybody’s been in that everybody’s had the hard days, everybody’s pushed through, everybody’s this and that. And we’re trying to come at it from a different angle, where we’re, yeah, all that kind of stuff’s important, but what’s the kind of greater takeaway of it? And the greater takeaway is that we’re all capable of so much more than we understand, or that we want to understand, because with that understanding comes responsibility and comes power, and it’s not only for our own personal development, but again, is that literally, every single thing that we do, public or private, good or bad, right or wrong, is going to eventually impact everybody else in some way. So because of that, we have not only a greater duty, but a greater responsibility. And that’s really kind of what we’re trying to convey with our message, is that, you know, you we can again, we can talk about the mountains and the temperatures and this and that, and how things how bad things hurt, and, you know, all this kind of stuff. But there’s just so much more that we can talk about as people, rather than, you know, simply athletes. Because at the end of the day, you know, if somebody’s, you know, working in Omaha, at a at a factory, you know, doing whatever, in their they don’t plan on climbing Everest, at any point, I don’t want them, and we as an organization, we don’t want them to say, well, this is not applicable to me, because I’m not a mountain climber, I’m not an ocean rower, before I got started, neither was I, you know. So this is just a lot more than simply the physical pursuits.

george grombacher 4:16
There’s so much really important stuff there. I think that for me personally, one of the things that animates me in my life is the necessity to realize my highest potential. So there’s that, but sometimes I can still be in my own head and talk myself out of doing the things I know I need to be doing, and that’s when I think about the people who do rely on me, or the people that did come before me, and it’s those outside influences that oftentimes win the day and cause me to do the things that I need, that I know I need to be doing, right? No,

Dawson 4:46
it is. And you know is that that was probably the biggest transformation in my life, which was in my, you know, late Thursday, I think I was 3839 and this was just before starting Dawson speak foundation. This is really. Crux of it is, is, look, I was in a place where, professionally, I was very comfortable. I’d reach a certain level of success. I had all my, you know, the basic necessities of life. I could, you know, I could go out and buy fun stuff and do fun stuff and all that kind of stuff. But I was very, I was struggling, man, like I was, I was really hurt, and I was in a very, very dark place. I didn’t communicate to anybody. And what I came to understand, what you know through that is I traveled to Nepal, spent three weeks hiking alone, amount around the Mount Everest region, and went to a to a Zen Buddhist or to a Buddhist service in tango chain, the largest monastery in the kumbu Valley, where Everest is. And I sat with these chanting monks for about an hour, and after that service is I had this breakdown, and I write about this in the book The in a lot more detail, because it’s a longer story, but this, this breakdown and a breakthrough where, I mean, I’m on the ground, like in tears, like just pouring out and just in just so much physical and emotional pain for, you Know, for 1520 minutes, and something spoke to me, and whether you call it God, the universe, you know, you know collective unconscious, whatever it is. And it said, You’re not living with a sense of purpose, and your life is only about you. And I knew that in that second, that was the answer, is, that is that, look, I was a good person, but I was still a selfish person, because I wasn’t thinking about the impact I was having on others and the role that I played in this greater, you know, play that I was a part of, you know. And to your point is that that’s what I have to, you know, that’s what I choose to focus on now day to day. Is that, yeah, look, I understand I feel a certain way, but I also understand that my life is not just about me and just how I feel about this moment is not just about me. It’s just what impact am I going to have on everybody else? Because, again, we can’t choose, pick and choose when we’re going to have impacts on others. It’s every single thing we do, in my opinion, you know, contributes to this collective unconscious that everybody is a part of. It’s like a pool of water, and we’re constantly pouring in this pool everything that we do. And we gotta think about, when you think about in that sense, there’s a greater sense of responsibility, but there’s a greater excitement to understand that we contribute so much.

george grombacher 7:12
Well said is that in any way a sorting mechanism, when you realize that does a big chunk of the population just say, Oh, well, this isn’t for me anymore. And then a big chunk of the population says, Yes, this is for me. I am going to start moving in the direction of realizing my potential, embracing the responsibility that I have.

Dawson 7:36
Yeah, that’s a great question. Is, I don’t know if you can bifurcate it that cleanly, or maybe they’re kind of shade, and I understand the point of the question, but I think there’s probably shades, you know, along there’s gradations, you know, along that scale. But I think that, you know, somewhere on that scale, we’re all in there, and it’s, you know. And I think the the classic debate is, either we don’t realize how how strong we are, and that the role that we can play, or is it we’re scared to understand how strong we are in the role that we play, because with that, with that realization, comes responsibility. And when you have more power, you have more responsibility. And I think in in today’s society, through this just unbelievable push of commercialism and capitalism and the social media. It’s always, you know, where’s the hack, what’s the easy way? What’s the five minutes to this or that? Or, you know, I mean, and I think that’s that’s truly the wrong approach in so many regards, man, and it’s all, it’s more and more about victimization, about taking your power away, or about buying the answer, buying the solution, you know. So it’s, it’s, it’s getting people to kind of disconnect in order to reconnect with themselves, to understand that level of power and to not into to not be fearful of it, or at least to be fearful of it to a healthy degree where it motivates them rather than paralyzes. So it’s, it’s, it’s a narrow line. We got to walk there. But look, that’s, I feel like I’ve used the word exciting, you know, more times this conversation I have in a while. But that’s the exciting part of it is to is to realize that power and the application of that power, then now the question is, what are you going to do with it? I

george grombacher 9:16
think that that’s exactly right. So there’s so there’s so many different conversations and very worthwhile conversations here. How to get some of the people who are maybe on the the other end of the spectrum that say, you know, this isn’t for me, over to the other side. But if you don’t mind, I’d like to focus on just, I am more in the camp, and I think most of the people that are listening to our show are probably in the camp of I want the responsibility Give it to me. That doesn’t mean that I know how to do it necessarily, or that I’m doing it effectively. You talk about duty and capacity, I feel like that probably plays into this

Dawson 9:50
it is and that that’s it’s there. I’m very big on these little, little say sayings or idioms or just like little things you can kind of have in your pocket. It to pull out when you need it. And duty and capacity is one that we really use a lot with Dawson speak Foundation. And the the importance of understanding the difference between the two, and it’s that goes from being self centered to service centered is, you know, capacity is that we all have the capacity to function at a higher level. Is, again, like we talked about earlier is that we all have the we’re all capable of more than we understand, or that we want to believe, and then the duty of it comes, you know, has to do with shifting it from yourself to others. Because now that you understand you have this capacity, is what are you going to do about it? And that you have the duty, not only to yourself, but more importantly, to others, to maximize that capacity and and to maximize the the influence, impact you’re going to have on the world. And that, that thing, that’s the thing that can to your question earlier about, how do you get people from one camp to the other? Look, a lot of people, they they feel powerless, and they say, I’m just so and so who does whatever from wherever, and they don’t see the power, the potential in themselves. And once you understand that you can be whoever from whomever, doing whatever, and that has the ability, it’s not to sound cliche, but to impact and change the world, maybe not on a big macro level, but on a micro level, day to day, eventually that’s going to have a larger and larger impact. And when we understand that capacity and apply it to our duty, that’s when we all kind of start uplifting each other together, and all these little things start building upon each other. It’s almost like, for lack of better term, you know, or for lack of a better simile, kind of like a sandcastle. It’s just one grain. Doesn’t look like much, but you put together 10 billion grains, and now you get something that looks like something.

george grombacher 11:42
Yeah, I love that. The capacity piece that we’re all capable of more we have these wonderful gifts as human beings, and for whatever reason, many of us just aren’t tapping into it yet. But when that light gets turned on, like, oh, I can do lots of things. I’m more than just George from Minnesota that does this, this, this. And then once you realize that putting it to work in service of others, I can see that being a giant shift. It is,

Dawson 12:11
and also it’s important that we don’t, that we don’t, you know, denigrate, you know who we are, and what we’re doing is to just say, Oh, I’m only so and so, only doing this well being so and so, and doing whatever, whether you know, if you’re a mechanic, and you know, wherever in Yugoslavia, you can still make a difference. And also, what you do is not who you are, like what you do professionally is not who you are. So maybe you are doing you know, whatever, but just then, you know, on a personal front, now you have the ability to do you know so much more. So I think we also get that confused as well from time to time. Yeah,

george grombacher 12:51
super easy to do that. Yeah, very, very, very human to do that. Who am I? Who am I to be doing that? Look at this guy climbing mountains and doing this, that the other thing, and I’m just turning wrenches in Yugoslavia, but that’s

Dawson 13:04
what’s funny is, but also it’s like, because everybody, everybody thinks that hell I think that about myself, like, I’m just so, so and so from somewhere, climbing a couple mountains, you know, Roan, ocean, whatever. I’m like, so it’s like, and I look at other people doing all these things, I’m like, Who the hell am I to do anything, you know? So it’s like we all have to push through that to some degree.

george grombacher 13:25
We talk about, you talk about inspiring people to do more than they currently. Maybe think that they can in service of other people, is it? But we also don’t want to engage in some kind of an Infinity War where I’m trying to go 24 hours a day, seven days a week, redlining it. I need to find sustainable success, if that’s the right term.

Dawson 13:53
Now, look, I think that that’s a great, you know, question to bring up and that, look, that’s something, to be totally honest with you, that’s something that I’ve struggled with. It’s when I’m sitting around the couch or doing whatever it just I have, I can have a general anxiety from time to time, like, what am I doing right now? How am I? Am I being productive? You know, that kind of thing. So I think that ties into, you know, to the book about strength and surrender, is that it is a matter of having that level of surrender where you’re, you know, surrendering into, you know, the fears and the hesitations and trepidations, you know, things like that. But also having the proper amount of perspective is that, look, you don’t have to be, quote, unquote, on 24 hours a day in order to be effective, in order to live with purpose, in order to grow. Is that life like personally, I think life is about a balance, maybe not balance, because I don’t live a balanced life, you know, but it is about figuring out when to do things, when not do things. And I can tell you now is there is no being on 24 hours a day, because that will lead to, you know, to a bad path. Ultimately, you. It’s about figuring out when to pursue. You know what you’re pursuing, but at the same time being cognizant of all your actions, all you know, all the things you do, are having impacts on you as a person, where you know it maybe, if you’re not out, you know, doing something but, but you’re sitting around eating Ho Hos and watching stuff you’re not supposed to be watching and doing things you’re not supposed to be doing. You can’t hide that stuff in the closet for long, you know? So it’s, it’s finding that balance, wherever that balance is on the spectrum, but being cognizant of what we’re doing and why?

george grombacher 15:28
Yeah, maybe just a couple Ho Hos, not the entire box

Dawson 15:33
on a key day, I’d say about three pounds of them. Okay,

george grombacher 15:37
nice. Don’t get me wrong. So I have been thinking lately just it’s putting things in containers and having containers available for things so when it is time to it’s my cheat day, so I can go all in or honor that as well. I don’t need to be always pursuing personal development or whatever. And if it’s at the end of the day, I’m not working anymore, and I’m not doing about this anymore. It’s just family time. So just telling people to be more sustainable is a tricky thing. If I don’t know really how to do that, I

Dawson 16:35
There we go. He froze up on me. There

george grombacher 16:37
Annie’s back, yeah, sorry about that. Technology is a wonderful thing. No big deal.

Dawson 16:43
No, it’s what we’re saying. It’s just, you know, just being cognizant of what you’re doing and why you’re doing is, don’t feel the need to be if you’re going to be on and off, on and on off, is, I think that’s what create, you know, and that’s going to lead to burnout. So it’s, don’t feel the need to be on and off. Just be consistent with what you’re doing and why you’re doing it, but then understand there are different levels to it, you know, look, to be totally honest, yesterday I had a cheat day. So I sat around, I ate 7000 calories of anything that I wanted after my workout, you know, for a certain period of time, and I put on, like, six pounds and that, and that was actually a small cheat day for me. I can normally put on eight to 10 pounds in a cheat day. And that’s easy to do, but it’s, it’s, I, you know, I was able to do that because of what I did leading up to it, and then when it’s time to stop, I stopped and, you know, got back on, you know, where I was going to go, and it just, it all plays a role together, but don’t feel the need to be this on and off, because I’ve tried that stuff in the past, and for me, it’s exhausting. It’s like, oh, now I gotta be on. Now I can be off. It’s just, just be consistent. You know, there’s just, but just understand when there’s times to perform, when there’s times to to recover. I think, I think maybe that’s a better way of looking at it.

george grombacher 17:56
Yeah, I appreciate that. So with the foundation and the different athletes that that you’re supporting, sponsoring, whatever the term is, talk me. Talk me through how that actually works, and how, how I could participate just as a, as a, whatever the term for that is, too.

Dawson 18:19
Yeah, no, like, I appreciate you asking that. It said so our the our current project is project seven for soldiers, where I’m attempting to set seven world records. You know, originally, we’re trying to get this done in 12 months. So we kicked it off and on May 23 2021 and we’re also gonna climb the highest peak on each continent, ski to the North Pole and South Pole, row boat across the Atlantic Ocean, trek solar and support across the Mojave Desert, Death Valley, and then fly a plane around the world. Yeah. So you know, everything was going great until Russia, Ukraine, and when I and because of that, North Pole got canceled. And because of that, the fly around the world got canceled. And every year since then, the North Pole has gotten canceled and the flight has gotten prohibitively expensive. So we’ve been kind of stuck in this quagmire of trying to finish up seven for soldiers, which hopefully will finish up in April of 2025 and once we have that, you know, we’ll identify some some bigger projects, newer projects that we’re working on bring in some more athletes. Because for this first project is I was going to be the guinea pig, where I was going to put, kind of put my money where my mouth was, I’d be the first person to do it, you know, things like that. So after that, we’ll figure out some new athletes, you know, new projects, you know, different things like that. But I’ll also be undertaking my own personal expeditions that you know, that you can follow along with. It’s the easiest thing to get involved is just to go to, you know, at Dawson’s peak on Instagram or dawson’speak dot com. And that is, that’s my personal website that links to the charity website as well. And something very important to talk about with seven for soldiers. And hence the title is that. We’re working with two great veteran organizations on this project. So the two of the highest rated veteran organizations in the country, which is hope for the Warriors and Gary Sinise foundation. So they’re receiving 100% of the net proceeds that we raised during this project. So since we got, you know, kicked off in in 2021 is, I haven’t made a penny on it, my organization hasn’t made any money. So literally, 100% of net proceeds benefit those groups so you can get, you know, involved. You know, donate, share all that kind of stuff on, on dostoek.com, where it links to the charity site. Nice,

george grombacher 20:33
those seven things that you rattled off so quickly. Which one did you have the most trepidation about,

Dawson 20:47
yeah, it’s an easy, it’s an easy question. I’m trying to, I’m trying to give you an honest answer, no, I think, I think, heading into it, it was either uh, Everest, because, you know, Everest is Everest, and that was the literally, because of the North Pole closure for covid reasons. Before rush Ukraine, we were going to kick off with Everest. And that was my first time climbing 8000 meter mountain. Obviously, Everest is Everest. You don’t know how everybody’s performing altitude. So there was that. But also, I think the ocean row was, you know, where I rode across the Atlantic. Ocean was tough because that was going to be coming, that was gonna be the ninth expedition. And even to just to get to that place, haven’t been successful, you know, 100% successful was gonna be a borderline miracle. And the plan was, if I could just get there, then just put my head down, shut up row until I hit land, until the boat sunk, and just, you know, just kind of deal with it. So I think those are kind of the two that stuck out my mind the most.

george grombacher 21:45
Yeah, that’s fascinating. It’s what is, I don’t even know if it’s the right question or not. What’s harder, the physical challenge or the mental challenge of running across the ocean? Do you think?

Dawson 22:00
Look, I can tell you, without even having to think about it, it’s the mental side of this is so much more difficult than the physical. And, you know, probably like yourself, and like a lot of people that are listening to this, is, we’ve all gone through a lot of, you know, physical difficulties in our lives, and had, you know, big workouts or pain, or, you know, whatever. But it’s and going into it is, I thought it was going to be the physical elements, like, Oh, if I can just get this mountain and that mountain, and it’s going to be 30 below zero, and I might lose a finger, or I might break a, you know, whatever, or just can’t sleep for three days. And, you know, none of that, that stuff just pales in comparison with, with the psychological elements. And it’s, it’s this, you know, it’s like we talked about earlier, about earlier, about being on and off, is that look, we’ve been pursuing this since August 1 2018 is when it first got started. It’s gotten delayed because of covid, Russia, Ukraine, and to find a way to continue to push forward literally for years and years and years without having to break and training for 2025, hours a week, and trying to create an organization and raise sponsorship and raise awareness, and it’s just, it’s all this stuff is that the physical elements have been the easiest side, you know, of all, as best everybody wants to talk about, because that’s, I get it. That’s the fun stuff. But the psychological elements of finding a way to keep going, of still having an excitement about it, you know, and still having the proper outlook and you know, how do you push the organization forward? How can we continue to make changes and, you know, impact, you know, Gary Singh’s Foundation, hope for the Warriors. That has been by far the most difficult element, you know, of all this.

george grombacher 23:38
Yeah, if I if all you had to do is row the boat. That’d be easy if

Dawson 23:42
I if I could just be left alone to climb 26,000 feet, my life would be so much easier.

george grombacher 23:49
It’s yeah, it’s getting up and doing it every day and wondering what’s going to happen next, and everything else. I totally get it. Dawson, awesome. Well, I appreciate everything that you’re doing. I appreciate you picking the thoughts and rowing the boat and climbing the mountains and helping people to realize their capacity is so much greater than they currently think that it is, and once they realize that, then put it into work and fulfilling their duty to to the other people on the planet and having a real and lasting impact. And we can all do that. So I love it. Tell us again, where people can learn more about you, and where can they get their copy of strength and surrender?

Dawson 24:33
Yeah, so, so strength and surrender is coming out right now. It’s late to come out on october 22 you can find it on Amazons will be the first place. Then it kind of get expanded out to you, hopefully some some physical retailers after that. But it’s strength, you know, I in surrender, and then the rest of stuff can be found, like I said, on Instagram, which is just at Dawson’s peak, P, E, A, K, or link into my personal website, which is just. Austin speak.com and that link, or, you know, go to that website, and that links to our charity website, which is Dawson speak foundation.org, but again, it’s like I said earlier, is 100% of the net proceeds that we raise benefit hope for the Warriors Gary sneeze foundation. I haven’t made a penny on this in years. So anything you can do to get involved, to donate, to share is, you know, please get involved, and we great appreciate it. Because, you know, I think it’s just a great example of, again, it’s not about what we’re doing, but but about the impact that we can have. And you know, these men and women that have served our country, that are with these organizations, you know, certainly develop, you know, certainly have earned, you know, our respect and our willingness to help them out some love

george grombacher 25:38
it if you enjoyed as much as I did. Show Dawson your appreciation. Share today’s show with a friend who also appreciates good ideas. Go to Dawson’s peak.com. Check out everything he’s working on. Follow him on Instagram at Dawson’s peak, and get your copy of strength in surrender. And we’ll link all of those in the notes of the show. Thanks again, Dawson. Hey,

Dawson 25:59
listen. I’ve really enjoyed it. Thank you. It’s great way to start my day. You day. There

george grombacher 26:03
you go, brother. Till next time, remember, do your part by doing your best. You.

george grombacher 16:00
So if I want my iPhone, and my Tesla and my Bitcoin to work, we need to get the metal out of the ground.

Pierre Leveille 16:07
Absolutely. Without it, we cannot do it.

george grombacher 16:13
Why? Why is there a Why has production been going down.

Pierre Leveille 16:21
Because the large mines that are producing most of the copper in the world, the grades are going down slowly they’re going there, they’re arriving near the end of life. So and of life of mines in general means less production. And in the past, at least 15 years, the exploration expenditure for copper were pretty low, because the price of copper was low. And when the price is low, companies are tending to not invest more so much in exploration, which is what we see today. It’s it’s, it’s not the way to look at it. Because nobody 15 years ago was able to predict that there would be a so massive shortage, or it’s so massive demand coming. But in the past five years, or let’s say since the since 10 years, we have seen that more and more coming. And then the by the time you react start exploring and there’s more money than then ever that is putting in put it in expression at the moment for copper at least. And what we see is that the it takes time, it could take up to 2025 years between the time you find a deposit that it gets in production. So but but the year the time is counted. So it’s it’s very important to so you will see company reopening old mines, what it will push also, which is not bad, it will force to two, it will force to find a it will force to find ways of recalibrating customer, you know the metals, that will be more and more important.

george grombacher 18:07
So finding, okay, so for lack of a better term recycling metals that are just sitting around somewhere extremely important. Yeah. And then going and going back to historic minds that maybe for lack of technology, or just lack of will or reasons, but maybe now because there’s such a demand, there’s an appetite to go back to those.

Pierre Leveille 18:33
Yes, but there will be a lot of failures into that for many reasons. But the ones that will be in that will resume mining it’s just going to be a short term temporary solution. No it’s it’s not going to be you need to find deposit that will that will operate 50 years you know at least it’s 25 to 50 years at least and an old mind that you do in production in general it’s less than 10 years.

george grombacher 19:03
Got it. Oh there we go. Up here. People are ready for your difference making tip What do you have for them

Pierre Leveille 19:14
You mean an investment or

george grombacher 19:17
whatever you’re into, you’ve got so much life experience with raising a family and doing business all over the world and having your kids go to school in Africa so a tip on copper or whatever you’re into.

Pierre Leveille 19:34
But there’s two things I like to see and I was telling my children many times and I always said you know don’t focus on what will bring you specifically money don’t think of Getting Rich. Think of doing what you what you like, what you feel your your your your your, you know you have been born to do so use your most you skills, do what you like, do what you wet well, and good things will happen to you. And I can see them grow in their life. And I can tell you that this is what happens. And sometimes you have setback like I had recently. But if we do things properly, if we do things that we like, and we liked that project, we were very passionate about that project, not only me, all my team, and if we do things properly, if we do things correctly, good things will happen. And we will probably get the project back had to go forward or we will find another big project that will be the launch of a new era. So that’s my most important tip in life. Do what you like, do it with your best scale and do it well and good things will happen.

george grombacher 20:49
Pierre Leveille 21:03
Thank you. I was happy to be with you to today.

george grombacher 21:06
Damn, tell us the websites and where where people can connect and find you.

Pierre Leveille 21:13
The it’s Deep South resources.com. So pretty simple.

george grombacher 21:18
Perfect. Well, if you enjoyed this as much as I did show up here your appreciation and share today’s show with a friend who also appreciate good ideas, go to deep south resources, calm and learn all about what they’re working on and track their progress.

Pierre Leveille 21:32
Thanks. Thanks, have a nice day.

george grombacher 21:36
And until next time, keep fighting the good fight. We’re all in this together.